An examination of the claims and pictures taken by George Edwards

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1. Edwards Deep

2. The 1986 Photograph

3. June 2012 Verbal Testimony

4. The November 2011 Photograph

(For a recent complaint by George Edwards to Drumnadrochit Chamber of Commerce, and a response by Tony Harmsworth, etc scroll to the bottom of the page)

 For a shortcut to eyewitness testimony of the 2011 hoax ,  see http://squatchdetective.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/the-george-edwards-loch-ness-photos-debunked-as-a-hoax/. and there is media coverage at the bottom of the page. Updated 16th June 2013.


 

1. Edwards Deep

The story of Edwards Deep - I suggested the name - originates with the skipper of a local tour boat George Edwards, who picked up depth readings of 247 metres, or 812 feet on the fishfinder sonar on his cruise boat "Nessie Hunter". The story is told in his own words on the "Legend of Nessie" website, and a brief, edited version is given  as Item 1 below. The significant information is that the location is in the vicinity of Urquhart Castle.

I worked as relief skipper on the "Nessie Hunter" for ten years and agree that the boat's sonar does produce these signals from time to time, but  they are not a true indication of depth...it would be hard to explain how a 60 foot deep crater in the otherwise incredibly flat bottom sediment did not fill up. The equipment is showing a sidewall echo.

What is a side-wall echo?
In simple terms, it is an echo picked up from the side of the loch when the side is still further away than the bottom directly below the boat.

I have recorded similar traces on other boat sonars and  show here a similar but deeper echo, also recorded in the vicinity of Urquhart Castle.

 

 Copyright Dick Raynor 2009   Right-click on the image, then select "play"

 

The newest Admiralty Chart of the area is based on data gathered during a joint  Loch Ness Project  / BBC Science Unit survey in 2002. The maximum depth recorded in the survey was 227 metres,  despite special attention being paid to the area of "Edwards Deep". This depth is less than 3 metres different from that recorded by Murray and Pullar in 1903.

If the Loch Ness Project / BBC data  is good enough for Her Majesty's Hydrographer  it is good enough for me, and I can be confident that Edwards Deep does not exist. On a tourist trip in June 2012 George Edwards told passengers the story of Edwards Deep but also said it was "further down the loch" and no attempt was made to demonstrate it on any of the on-board sonars.



2. The 1986 Photograph - "The Loch Ness monster?"

 Passengers on George Edwards Cruise boat "Nessie Hunter" between 1996 and 2011 will also be familiar with the photograph he took in 1986, for sale on the boat as a postcard for 50 pence.  I remember him telling me at the time how hard it had been to drag the offending object out of the back of a vehicle and down to the water before it was towed out into the loch! The story changed, and George Edwards' newer version can be watched below.

Right-click on the image,  then select "play"

By the time of that interview he had seen "these creatures 16 or 17 times".


3. A June 2012 Boat Trip on Nessie Hunter IV

A passenger on a  boat trip  in June 2012 made a recording of  George Edwards discussing his sightings and the poster which I use here as a background image. The soundtrack has a high level of engine noise inside the cabin but records some important comments.

 

Right-click on the image, then select "play"



4. The "November 2nd 2011" Photograph,  "Released" August 2012

At the beginning of August another photograph was released to the worlds media in a flurry of publicity, said to have been taken at 9 a.m. on 2nd November 2011, but not released until August 2012.

From the Daily Mail (see link at end of quote) " I hung around for a good half-an-hour and used the deep scanning sonar to try and pick it up, but I知 afraid I had no luck at all.'
Mr Edwards took the photo at 9am on 2nd November last year on a compact Samsung digital camera that he always keeps on the boat.
Before releasing it publicly he sent it to the USA for analysis, though he can稚 reveal further details.
'I did not want to mention my sighting until I was sure that I had not photographed a log or something inanimate in the water,' he said. 'I have friends in the USA who have friends in the military.
'They had my photo analysed and they have no doubt that I photographed an animate object in the water. I was really excited as I am sure that some strange creatures are lurking in the depths of Loch Ness.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183094/Skipper-claims-finally-proof-Loch-Ness-Monster-exists.html#ixzz23R9PIXSd

 

So the photos "released" at the beginning of August 2012  were already displayed and on sale in postcard form on the boat at the time of the June 2012 boat trip.

Obviously a mistake somewhere. Now let us look again at the poster Mr Edwards is talking about in the audio file. Photo 3, the "new" picture, has a caption "Taken by George Edwards on 5/10/11" ... but it was really taken on 2nd November 2011, wasn't it? A bit of a mix up. A lovely clear calm day, however...

(Data supplied by NNDC Climate Data at http://.hurricane.ncdc.noaa.gov)

the weather on both days claimed for the photography is different from that shown in the picture. Furthermore, the Great Glen acts as a funnel for the wind and surface wind speeds are often 50% to 100% greater that those measured at Inverness airport. Even without this effect, the waves in the photo are not those produced by a 13 or 16 mph wind.


NEW:  Additional data gratefully received from professional meteorological source on 01/09/2012:

5 Oct 2011 0900 BST
Brisk SW値y warm sector over area (followed by cold front passage late morning).
Wind: SW値y 15 knots, gusts 25-30 knots.
Cloud: cloudy with some breaks (bases 1500-3000 ft).
Rain: upslope rain over the Western Highlands but very little reaching the Inverness area.
 
2 Nov 2011 0900
Brisk S値y airstream over area (strongest in the west).
Wind: S or SE値y 10-15 knots (but 70-80 knots over the top of Cairngorm), locally SW値y where funnelled through Great Glen.
Cloud: much layered cloud but thin and high base with some breaks.
Rain: none in Inverness area (some much further west and north).

In the words of the BBC Weather Centre, these two days were described as follows:


 

 BBC Weather Report for 5/10/2011:

Review of UK weather on 05/10/11

 Much of the UK was cloudy overnight through to the early hours but there were a few clear spells in the southeast of England.

There were outbreaks of drizzle in some western parts of England and Wales.

Further north, outbreaks of rain pushed east across Scotland, Northern Ireland and northern England and rain was heavy across western hills in Scotland.

During the morning some sunshine broke through across sheltered parts of eastern England but it was generally cloudy and wet further north and west.

Rain across the north gradually slipped southeastwards during the afternoon, turning heavy across Cumbria and then Wales.

Southern and southeast England hung onto some drier weather but rain reached here in the evening, this heavy at first.

Behind the band of rain, scattered sharp showers developed with sunny spells.

Winds were strong for many throughout the day, reaching gale force over many hills and exposed peninsulas from north Wales northwards. Gusts at low levels reached 61 mph at Aberdaron in the late afternoon.

Temperatures were generally above average, becoming warm in the southeast ahead of the rain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/uk_reviews/newsid_9608000/9608839.stm


So the weather on 5th October 2011 is not as shown in the photograph.    Let's try 2nd November 2011.


Review of UK weather on 02/11/11

 

Parts of northeast England saw some fog and a local ground frost at first on Wednesday morning. However this soon cleared to leave a good part of England, Wales and Scotland dry with some bright or sunny periods.

Northern Ireland and the far west of Scotland were cloudier with outbreaks of rain to start the day. As the day progressed, this cloud and rain continued to spread eastwards and by lunchtime much of the western half of the UK was cloudy.

Through the afternoon, outbreaks of rain spread into southwest England and Wales, with some of this turning out to be quite heavy.

By the evening, the rain had worked its way into central southern England, the Midlands and southwest Scotland.

Areas across eastern England and Scotland that had seen some afternoon sunshine also turned cloudier.

Across the country it was a windy day, with the southeasterly winds at their strongest in exposed parts of the west.

It was a mild day, with temperatures generally above average for the time of year again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/uk_reviews/newsid_9630000/9630701.stm


Not a good match either -  "across the country it was a windy day". Three separate sources record weather quite different from that shown in the photograph, for both dates George Edwards has claimed it was taken on.


A useful feature of the Internet is that one can find various versions of a story, or a photograph. The "November 2nd 2011" photograph on the website of the agency that handles George Edwards' photo - http://www.cascadenews.co.uk/site/node/33 - has the least cropped version of it on the website linked above. The picture is below.

A close inspection of the photograph enables the camera location to be established.

Keen observers have commented that although Mr Edwards is quoted as saying the object was about half a mile away from him in the "November 2011" photo, it looks much closer than that. In the soundtrack above, Mr Edwards says " ... and you can see the castle in the top right hand corner of the photograph so you will be able to work out for yourselves that I was much farther down the loch near Lochend when I took that picture."

I would respectfully disagree.

The top of the castle tower - height 25 m above water level - aligns well with the summit of Carn Dearg 277 m above loch level in the background, beyond Foyers. We can project a line from the hilltop, through the castle tower and down into the loch. The camera must be somewhere on that line. The closer to the castle, the higher it was and the further away from the castle, the lower down it had to be.

The distance between the hilltop and the castle is known to be  about 10,790 metres so it is a simple matter of solving similar triangles the get the range to the water surface, which comes out at 11,860m. So the sight-line from the hill-top enters the water 1070 metres past the castle, and the angle at the hilltop =  inverse tan (11860/ 277) is 88.66 degrees.

If the camera was shooting from the fly bridge we can estimate a camera height above the water of 4.0 metres, so  the distance NH to Z becomes 170 metres, and the camera was 1070 - 170 = 900 m from the tower.

Calculated boat position is near the green square at the end of the yellow line, in the middle of Urquhart Bay.

Now look carefully at the bottom left hand corner to see something white at the edge of the frame.

What on Nessie Hunter  IV (above) could that white-looking part of the boat possibly be?

In earlier versions of this study I was of the opinion that the object was inconsistent with any part of "MV Nessie Hunter IV", shown cruising below.

 

Steve Feltham  then publicised his discovery that the object shown in George Edwards photograph, on sale as a postcard, was the glass-fibre film-makers "hump" made originally for the 2005 documentary "Loch Ness: The Ultimate Experiment" and later used liberally in the ZigZag Productions "The Truth Behind the Loch Ness monster" made in early 2011 which was filmed from George Edwards' boat.  It was only when I was reviewing the latter video that I realised that at the time of the filming the boat still had its aft davits fitted; these are the chrome plated arms that stick out over the stern to carry and lower a dinghy. These are shown in the advertising photo shown below, together with some other vertical handrail elements, any of which might account for the white looking object.

A frame from "The Truth Behind the Loch Ness Monster" by ZigZag Productions for which I claim Fair Use.

At this point it became clear that the photograph could have been taken from somewhere high up on the new boat.

On 21st August 2012 I visited Steve Feltham at Dores and was shown the glass-fibre hump. My measurements showed it to be about 1.9 metres long and 0.3 metres high, and clearly the same object as portrayed in George Edwards postcards and press releases. 

The glass-fibre hump at Dores Beach. Photo - Steve Feltham.

 

On 22nd August 2012 Mr Edwards told STV News  that he denied knowing anything about a fake hump.

On 23rd August 2012 I reviewed my recording of "The Truth Behind the Loch Ness Monster", filmed at Loch Ness in early 2011. At 5 mins 48 sec into the film, just after divers have entered the water, there is a shot of two men on George Edwards boat - which he would have been driving -  with the glass fibre hump on the foredeck. I have enlarged the fore-deck object as an inset in the frame below from the tv show.

A frame from "The Truth Behind the Loch Ness Monster" by ZigZag Productions for which I claim Fair Use.


The finding of the boat davits and the handrails supports on the fly bridge allows a recalculation of the camera height to about 4 metres, places the camera about 900 metres from Urquhart Castle, and doubles the range to the hump to 17.5 metres. It now would appear to be about 2 times bigger than my original calculation, and so 1.2 metres long on the water. Of course some of it's actual length of 1.9 metres would be submerged so there is no significant conflict in the data and as a bonus the weather conditions in the "November 2011"  monster photo match those in the documentary.

Early in my assessment of this photograph I pointed out that the camera position could be determined quite accurately by the alignment of the tower of Urquhart Castle with the hilltop called Carn Dearg in the distance. George Edwards' photo is rather blurry, but at around 06 mins 55 sec into "The Truth Behind the Loch Ness Monster" the camera pans down from a shot of Urquhart Castle to the "hump". When frames over a few seconds are stacked together a "bigger picture" emerges, with the castle and hump in the same image.

Image stack from time 06 min 57 sec, courtesy Loch Ness Project.

 In this image, filmed from the lower deck of the boat, the castle tower is seen to align perfectly with Carn Dearg, showing that George Edwards boat was in the same location (to within a few tens of metres) during filming as it was when he took his monster postcard photograph.

 

In all hoaxes the simplest explanation is often the best, and it is hard not to conclude that  George Edwards simply took a digital snap from the fly bridge during a filming cruise and decided to publish it as a postcard.

From my earlier versions of this assessment I include the site investigation detailed below - flawed mainly by my wrong camera height estimate.


 

Site Investigation 14th August 2012

 

On 14th August 2012 I had the opportunity today to take the Castle Cruises tour boat to my calculated location for the Edwards photography.  I had no monsters to hand but I did have a 25 cm long Buxton Spring Water 1 litre bottle, which I threw into the water and photographed it from a camera height of about 2.1 metres above water level. The results are shown below.

 

 

and when superimposed on the George Edwards photo, taken from "near Lochend" (6 miles away), rotated and resized ...

 

(Right-click and select "play"

 

The similarities between the "November 2011" photograph and my own photograph of a bottle suggested  that the object in the former was only a matter of metres away  from the camera, and not "half a mile away". The apparent size and distance away are directly linked to the height of the camera above the water level.

 

Above are new merged photos of the plastic hump at the Loch Ness Centre and Mr Edwards' 50p monster.



 


Bonus Material

 

Item 1 - included to demonstrate stated position of "Edwards Deep"

"This story begins back on 30th November 1989 whilst a friend of mine and myself were taking part in a coastguard exercise on Loch Ness. The exercise involved all the main emergency services and most the other vessels which operate on Loch Ness, including the cruise boat "Nessie Hunter", of which I am the skipper. The exercise was due to begin at 12 noon, my remit was to be in the position, that I would normally be, with Nessie Hunter at that time of day, which in my case would be in the vicinity of Urquhart Castle. Unfortunately, things did not go according to plan, a real situation had developed in the North Sea and I was instructed to maintain a holding pattern in the Urquhart Castle area, and await further instructions. We had settled down and were having coffee and sandwiches when I happened to look at the sonar screen, and much to my surprise, I noticed a depth reading of 787 feet, about 37 feet more than I had previously recorded in this area! I pointed this out to my friend and immediately all thoughts of the chocolate biscuits which we were to have with our lunch were forgotten and we began to further investigate this area of Loch Ness which is now known as "Edwards Deep". We began to retrace our route and take compass bearings, at this time Nessie Hunter did not have GPS, and eventually we recorded a depth of 812 feet, the greatest known depth ever recorded in Loch Ness! In the 1960's a mini-submarine supposedly recorded a depth of 975 feet, but to my knowledge, no evidence to support this claim has ever been presented, I have the picture to support my claim, and since 1989 my findings have been verified by several other vessels."  (This text can be found on various websites)

 

Item 2

Partial Transcript of  video file of George Edwards recorded  in June 2012 on MV Nessie Hunter IV

Statements of known inaccuracy highlighted in red, those which are of dubious reliability are in green.

Now Loch Ness is the largest body of fresh water in the United Kingdom and one of the deepest freshwater lakes in Europe. It is just under 24 miles long, it is one mile wide for most of its length and at the widest part of the loch where we are at the moment here in the Urquhart Bay area it is almost one and a half miles wide. It has a surface area of 14,000 acres and an average depth of 759 ft. or 231 m. It has a volume of 263 million cubic feet of water, that is 57 million cubic meters of water. If you were to remove all the water from Loch Ness and that is not really possible, you would have a hole big enough to put the entire population of the world into three times over with space to spare. Loch Ness contains more water than all of the lakes and reservoirs in England and Wales put together. In the deepest part,  which is further down the loch, it goes down to 812 feet or  238 metres and that part  was found and recorded by myself in 1989  and was named after me. My name is George Edwards and the deepest part of Loch Ness is called Edwards Deep. I found it on the 1st of November 1989 whilst I was on a Loch Ness Coastguard exercise.  I am the former coxswain of H.M.Coastguard痴   Search and Rescue boat. The water temperature in Loch Ness remains fairly constant at 5 centigrade,  that is about 41 or 42 Fahrenheit.  Loch Ness has never been known to freeze over, not even on the coldest day in the wintertime would you ever see a tiny piece of the ice anywhere near the loch. In the summertime the  thermocline -  that痴 the top 3 or 4 feet of water  - can go as high as 14 centigrade, about 57F  but that is still very cold water; I don稚 think you would like to go for a swim in the there. Although having said that Loch Ness has been swum from end to end and in on many occasions.

 

Loch Ness has got a variety of fish -    migratory salmon, sea trout and eels, brown trout, arctic char and pike. The biggest fish ever caught was by a thirteen year old girl and it was a salmon which weighed 56lbs... Loch Ness is 52ft, 16m above sea level loch Oich is 110ft.  33m above sea level and Loch Lochy is 78 feet above sea level.

 

Break - submersibles, whether it be a submarine or an ROV a remotely operated vessel, it is it is pretty much a waste of time putting them down there you can稚 see anything. It doesn稚 matter how bright a light you use under the surface because the light will just reflect back off the peat particles in the water a bit like driving a car in the fog or snow in the dark with the headlights on full beam. The light just reflects back at you. The only way to get any visibility down there is to use low wattage lighting and even then you are limited to seeing only two or three feet around you. Very poor visibility down there as you will see you when I put the underwater camera down. This has always been a problem when it comes to investigating under the surface of Loch Ness. This has always been the problem when investigating under the surface of Loch Ness. Lack of visibility and quite simply lack of technology. Sonar, these gadgets up here, will certainly tell you there is something down there, in but it could be an inch long or ten feet long - sonar cannot tell the difference. All it does is measure a change of distance and density. But there is no doubt at all in my opinion that the existence of these creatures; far too many people have been seeing them for far too long to be dismissed as just a legend or tourist  attraction . Since the nineteen thirties alone there has been about a thousand eye-witness reports, now all these people cannot be telling lies or imagining things. And of course there has to be more than one of them; the first recorded sighting was by Saint Columba in 565 A.D. And to suggest there is only one creature in almost one and a half thousand years is stretching longevity and old age a bit far.  On many occasions two or three have been seen at the one time.

 I am the longest serving boat skipper on Loch Ness I have been doing this over 27 years but I have been boating on Loch Ness for 55 years since I was five years old and I have had several sightings over the years if you look at the composite postcard at various places around the boat  I took picture number one on the sixth of June 1986 at around 0715 in the morning and I estimate that the black hump in the photograph is between six and eight feet  long and no more than 2 feet out of the water.  picture number three is also showing a single hump in the water and you can see the castle in the top right hand corner of that so in you will be able to work out for yourselves that in that I was much further down the loch near Lochend  when I took that picture. The picture number four is showing Edwards Deep in the deepest part of Loch Ness, number six is a zoomed-in version of picture number three   I have to say I have never seen anything that looks remotely like a dinosaur with three humps and a long neck nor has anybody else that I know; that is what we call the media monster.  I think that when people say they have seen three humps in the water they have seen three creatures at the one time because there must be more than one of them. Most of the sightings occur at dawn and dusk, early in the morning or late in the evening the and the last genuine sighting as far as I知 concerned was made by some of your fellow visitors on the eleventh of March this year, it was made by some people who were sitting in a car in the car park above Urquhart Castle. When I managed to speak to them a few hours later up at the Nessieland Centre what they described to me was something like a whale痴 back breaking the surface, about 10ft. long - there was no three humps or long neck sat on the water - and when I eventually showed them the photographs I have taken they were fairly convinced that is what they had seen as well. But you can almost guarantee that since March this year there have been more sightings of these creatures but many people who see these creatures are very reluctant to talk to the media about their sightings for fear of ridicule.

 

My last sighting of these creatures was on the thirteenth of May, 2003 over nine years ago. You will be aware by now that I am not referring to the creatures as Nessie or Loch Ness monsters -  in my opinion they have never been called that they have always been known as Each Uisge, that痴 their Gaelic name, the language of the Highlands and Islands since (unintelligible). You may have heard stories of the bottom of the Loch Ness being undulating, lumpy and bumpy with caves and tunnels linking Loch Ness to the open sea and once again that is simply not true.  If you look at the posters around the boat showing the cross section of Loch Ness you will see that the bottom of Loch Ness is absolutely flat and the side wall below the surface is just a continuation of the hill on each side of the loch down into the water. If you could remove one of the water from Loch Ness one day and that痴 not possible - you would be left with a hole that resembles a bath, - flat on the bottom steep on the sides. Regarding caves and tunnels all of the rock around Loch Ness is made of a kind of granite - an incredibly hard rock and you will never find caves or tunnels in granite. You need to have sandstone or limestone there is none of that around Loch Ness. And if there was any tunnel linking loch ness to the open sea we would be at sea level and this would be salt water, and as I said earlier mark and this is 52 feet or 16 metres above sea level, and it is the largest body of fresh water in the United Kingdom. You have to go 75 miles off the southwest coast of Ireland into the Atlantic Ocean to the edge of the continental shelf before you will find water around the United Kingdom anywhere near as deep as Loch Ness.

 

 

Question from passenger: So what sort of sonar?

Answer from G.E.: Sound waves - this is called active sonar, there is two kinds of sonar, you get active sonar and passive sonar, passive sonar is what you use in a submarine when you are listening for ships. Sonar was invented by the Royal Navy back in 1857  it was originally known as ASDIC that痴 an acronym for Admiralty Submersible Detection Investigation Committee.

 

Q from passenger: What痴 this one here?

A: These are exactly the same- all they are different types

Q from passenger : For the purposes of hunting Nessie do you have a way of scanning below the boat or to the side ?

A: That痴 what it痴 doing it is just scanning below the boat  right now the these types of sonar unfortunately give no indication of size or shape all they do is measure distance and density  to be honest with you  the kind of sonar that would show you the size and shape of a moving object  under water while the boat is moving it doesn稚 exist.  This sonar here is called down scanning sonar imaging   which I use in conjunction with the underwater camera. Provided the boat isn稚 moving and there is something very close to the boat it will show the actual shape of it in the water.

 

That痴 down scanning sonar imaging it will go down to about 100 metres.

 

Loch Ness is not a glacial lake has such although there was lots of glacial activity around here at the end of the last ice age 11,000 years ago Loch Ness lies on what is called the Great Glen fault line, a cataclysmic fault line that was caused by over 300 million years ago by a series of earthquakes that split Scotland in half.

 

The camera痴 down now as you can see the visibility is absolutely atrocious now I知 going to switch on this gadget here called down scanning sonar imaging; normal sonar will not show the size or shape  of a moving objects under water  if the boat is moving as well but this gadget here, DSI, if something comes within 30 metres of the underwater camera  it is using a multi scanning transducer attached to the camera and we would see the actual shape of something on this one here but I would have to say the chances of it happening are about 10 billion to one. The camera is only about 3m down but whether it is 3m or 230 the visibility is exactly the same nonexistent.

 

Q from passenger: Do you see the occasional fish going by ?

A.  Now and again you値l get an eel  maybe when it sees the lights the eel will come towards you I致e never seen salmon I致e only seen eels.

 

Q from passenger: What do you think about the theory that Nessie might be a gigantic eel?

A. Well, you can never say never about anything the thing is European eels don稚 grow any bigger than about 600mm  and that痴 only the females the males are very very small

 

Anybody else can possibly tell you about these creatures with the any degree of certainty firstly is that they must be totally aquatic -   they must have gills to breathe underwater otherwise they would be seen coming to the surface to breathe on a regular basis. Nowadays we have web cameras around Loch Ness so if there was anything breaking the surface to breathe on a regular basis we would be picking them up on the web cams. Secondly they must be plankton eaters, you see at any given time there is only about 35 tons of fish in the loch; now that is not enough fish to maintain a population of large carnivores and of course the biggest animals on this planet are plankton eaters, not that I am suggesting for one minute that there are mammals - whales in Loch Ness and lastly whatever lives in the loch must be cold-blooded meaning that like fish their body temperature is the same as the water that they live in. We know this because we致e used thermal imaging in Loch Ness so if there was anything in the water like mammals for example dolphins whales seals.

 

End

 

Transcribed from video file recorded  June 2012 on MV Nessie Hunter IV

 

Summary

1/ Edwards' Deep - There is no evidence today that Edwards' Deep exists, and George Edwards doesn't demonstrate its location to passengers despite passing close to its claimed location on every cruise.

2/ The 1986 Photograph - His earlier photograph dated 1986 was admitted by himself  at the time to be a staged photo.

3/ November 2011 Photograph - This clearly shows the glass-fibre film-makers "hump" used in the filming of "The Truth Behind the Loch Ness Monster", which took place in February 2011. The waterborne sequences were filmed from George Edwards' boat and a frame showing the hump on the deck of his boat is presented here.

4/ November 2011 Photograph - The known weather records don't match the conditions shown in the "November 2011" photograph on either of the dates he has given, but do match those in the tv documentary filmed in February 2011.

5/ November 2011 Photograph - George Edwards claims the photo was taken "near Lochend" when it was clearly taken in Urquhart Bay, some six miles away.

6/ June 2012 Audio commentary In his audio commentary of June 2012 he states he last saw one of the creatures on 13th May 2003, clearly conflicting with his testimony in recent interviews.

 

Intellectual Property Rights Assertion  and  Copyright Dick Raynor 2012.

This work was created in August 2012 by Dick Raynor.

This page was created on 25/08/2012 with major revisions.

Additional weather records added on 01/09/2012.

The earlier version, which followed wrong leads and some blind alleys is here, for information.

Many Thanks to the

Loch Ness Project  and to Steve Feltham for their generous sharing of information.

 

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New material relevant to this story but not part of it. All the items below are in the public domain.

 

A  complaint by George Edwards to Drumnadrochit Chamber of Commerce on 30th May , and a response by Tony Harmsworth - 3rd June 2013

 

LOCH NESS CRUISES (G.L. Enterprises)

 

(Address deleted for privacy)

 

info@lochness-cruises.com                                                                                           30/05/2013

 

Dear Fellow Members,

As a founding member of the Chamber and a former vice chairman and treasurer, I am concerned about some of the views being expressed by Adrian Shine and his cronies in the media about the existence of Nessie.

 

Loch Ness Cruises is a Scottish Quality Assured business and we have recently been awarded a Trip Advisor Certificate of Excellence 2013 Winner for being in the top 10% of world wide members who consistently score five stars in their business reviews.

I carry thousands of tourists on Nessie Hunter every year and I am concerned when passenger tell me that after they have visited the self proclaimed Official Loch Ness Exhibition and Centre they come out feeling disappointed after been told that Nessie is a myth!     They are then stunned when on leaving the exhibition, they see hundreds of little green Nessies for sale talk about hypocrisy!

 

Mr Shine was chosen as a VisitScotland 認ace of Scotland a few years ago and has represented our industry at many functions and promotional campaigns. Last year it was reported in the Inverness Courier that VisitScotland think that we should be making more of Nessie and Loch Ness.

 

However, just about every time that Mr Shine appears in the media he talks about Big Fish and Big Waves.  I know that we are all entitled to our opinion but I pose the question 滴ow many people would come here to see the Loch Ness Big Fish or Loch Ness Big Wave?

 

To my knowledge Mr Shine has no scientific qualifications; apparently he was a printer to trade? Like many of his so called expert cronies who have turned out to be ex milkmen and Betterwear salesmen. Whilst they are all entitled to their opinions I believe that they are doing more harm than good in promoting Loch Ness Tourism with their negative theories.

I wonder how people would react in California or Florida if they were to go there and set themselves up as experts and then tell children that Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and co were just adults dressed up in costumes or move back to England and start dismissing Robin Hood and the Knights of the Round Table as the fantasies of country bumpkins the way he seems to view local people.

 

In recent years we have seen a decline in tourism across Scotland and maybe it is time for Mr Shine to put up or shut up.

 

Mr Shine and his cronies have been making a nice living out of Loch Ness for the past 20 odd years and if they cannot see the logic in promoting Nessie then maybe it痴 time they moved on, as they seem intent on destroying our industry.

 

I am sure the members would see the financial rewards if we were to buy them one way tickets back to where they came from and let Nessie breathe easy again! Unfortunately, it would appear that to be an expert on Loch Ness you have to come from at least 300 mile away.

 

George Edwards Loch Ness Cruises

and a response by Mr Tony Harmsworth on 3rd June 2013

I have just read the letter (dated 30/5/2013) circulated to every Chamber of Commerce member from Mr Edwards. At first I was intending to ignore it, but when I read it a second time I decided that it could not be allowed to enter the public domain without being challenged. I apologise in advance to Chamber members for having had to circulate this to you.

The prejudice the letter includes borders on the illegal inciting people to send me back to where I came from, indeed! Not that it matters, but my mother痴 family came from Scotland and I am personally descended from Robert the Bruce through the English side of my family. 

 

Your Trip Advisor rating is something for which you should be congratulated, Mr Edwards, and I do so and it will appear in the local news, which I edit, next week. Trip Advisor is vital to help people choose quality tourist businesses. However, it has one great failing as it relies on the tourist to judge the accuracy of information imparted. While I have no doubt that you entertain your passengers well and in comfort, the information with which they leave the area includes such nonsense as your invented deep trench called the Edward痴 Deep which has been comprehensively dismissed at the recent Edinburgh Symposium. You also show Nessie pictures which you faked-up from a documentary痴 prop and pretend are real. Your latest fake picture was exposed by Nessie hunter, Steve Feltham, as a deliberate hoax and was raised by several speakers at the Edinburgh symposium as an example of fakery.

This does not bring any credit whatsoever to Drumnadrochit and Loch Ness and if I thought it sufficiently important I would propose a motion of censure to have you expelled from the Chamber of Commerce for bringing the business community and the whole area into disrepute by your faking and hoaxing.

Your antics, Mr Edwards, reinforce the view by the majority of people in the world, that Nessie is an invented marketing tool used to hoodwink gullible tourists.

That is the very view that people like myself, Mr Shine, Mr Menzies, Mr Minshull and Mr Raynor have been trying to dispel for three decades and you, a known faker and hoaxer, who appears in the Nessie rogues gallery, have the temerity to criticise us!

The Loch Ness Centre and Exhibition (the 前fficial was dropped more than a decade ago) provides a wonderful insight into the limnology of the loch. Yes a vocal minority will arrive with expectations that they will find a Disney-style monster-land within its walls and might therefore leave disappointed. More fool them for not grasping the opportunity to understand the real loch. The shop at the centre is not run by the centre, by the way, and children do love to take away fluffy Nessies. So do adults. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Just look at the fluffy dinosaurs in the British Natural History Museum shop of course it is permissible to mix science with mystery and fun.

It sounds, Mr Edwards, as if you want everyone at Loch Ness to treat visitors like gullible fools. Palm them off with fakes like your recent hoax and send them away with their heads full of garbage. All that does is perpetuate the impression that the locals are stupid yokels. In fact, there might well be something in Loch Ness, but it is unlikely to be the plesiosaur Nessie image we all love. That does not mean you should not introduce the possibility of something more Nessie like to your trips, but taking it to the next stage actually faking and hoaxing, is demeaning, absolutely despicable and certainly not the way to impress anyone.

Today痴 tourists are more discerning. They want to understand the culture, legend and natural history of the places they visit. The Loch Ness Centre, Castle Cruises and Deepscan Cruises give them that wonderful insight into the loch. Tourists actually do expect to be conned by the Nessie industry and are often surprised that they are not being conned until they take your cruise, of course. I wonder how many snigger behind your back.

Finally I must take issue with the statement that business is falling off. Historic Scotland痴 figures for Urquhart Castle, Jacobite Cruises passenger numbers and the business I have just retired from, Inverness Tours, show growth. My tour company was more than 200% up on its 2010 figures when I handed it over just two weeks ago. The Loch Ness Centre and Exhibition has just had its most successful season ever. If you are seeing a drop in tourist numbers you need to analyse what you are doing wrong. The profile of tourist visitors and their needs change continually. Businesses like Jacobite and Historic Scotland have a huge effect on the demographics and it is up to smaller businesses to rework, improve and adapt their product to fulfil the changing needs of the visitor.

Mr Edwards, entertain your passengers by all means, but do you really need to fake pictures and discredit the whole legend in the process? Surely not. You are a sufficiently accomplished raconteur to keep peoples attention, educate, inform and keep it fun for them without resorting to fakery.

As for your letter criticising Mr Shine and myself (assuming I am the milkman crony referred to) it is most unworthy of any reputable businessman and I apologise to the members of the chamber for my need to respond. I知 supposed to be retired.

 

Tony Harmsworth

 

In an online edition of www.drumnadrochit.info  dated 7th June 2013 Tony Harmsworth reported that he had been told by the Drumnadrochit Chamber of Commerce to remove critical editorial comment regarding George Edwards of Loch Ness Cruises. He has complied with the demand and resigned as Editor of the Chamber's website, as can be seen below.

 

 

So what had he been instructed to remove? The previous days version is shown below, courtesy of the internet.

Please note - the above image is only a photograph and not a functioning web page. This STV News  link should tell you that Mr Edwards denied knowing anything about a fake hump,  and the this website.  link brought you to this page.



 

UPDATE 12TH JUNE 2013

 Click on the image above to go to the blog. In case of link failure, try

http://squatchdetective.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/the-george-edwards-loch-ness-photos-debunked-as-a-hoax/

Extract below...

Tonight while doing a radio show, someone asked if I had seen the photos of George Edwards. I did not, but then I was suddenly surprised as I remembered our weathered Scottish captain.

When I saw the pictures, my heart sank as I recognized it immediately.

I remember George on the top deck of the boat, taking pictures of our prop hump, used in sighting recreations for the program. 


In their unending search for a "new angle" on a story journalists and other writers  sometimes fail to see the story straight on. The local media much prefer to report events rather than investigate them and their job is after all to write saleable copy. They cannot be expected to have the same depth of understanding of the matters involved as someone who has been involved in it for forty years. In the USA cryptozoologist Loren Coleman has published an extensive piece with cartoons, photos and links on his CryptoZooNews blog under the title

North of Hadrian's Wall, War Rages Among Loch Ness Researchers"

I have submitted the following reply to the blog:

...."War rages among Loch Ness monster researchers"

Actually, it doesn't!

George Edwards is not a researcher and never has been, despite his advertising claims to be a "foremost authority" and skipper of "The Loch Ness Research Vessel". He was loaned the real research vessel one day when his own boat had broken down and rewarded the owner痴 generosity by "borrowing" the onboard underwater footage videotape and copying it to show on his own boat; that was the closest he came. No, George Edwards is just a trip boat skipper and now a well-known faker of photographs. I have seen no evidence of any research of his own in the entire 25 years he has been running his boat trips. Yes, he allowed me the use of his boat for my own experiments during the ten years that I worked for him, and for that I am grateful, but I can recall no research of his own.

What has just recently happened is that he has criticised the real investigators for NOT faking evidence like HE does, - for "not playing the game" and we are responding purely to defend our integrity. We have put up with his nonsense claims in (near) silence for years and have now had enough. His photographing of the film-crew's plastic hump and passing it off to the world media as a Nessie sighting should have set media alarm bells ringing, but didn't. Even the Film Producer's blog about him seeing the photos being taken - link below - went unnoticed.

http://squatchdetective.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/the-george-edwards-loch-ness-photos-debunked-as-a-hoax/

Observations of strange phenomena at Loch Ness have attracted inquiring minds for decades, and nothing irks the intelligent investigator more than a hoaxer. They are a waste of time and effort. A few days ago one student of the subject penned a perceptive article titled "Stop the Science - It's Bad for Business" and self-published it. The article has gone global - just Google it; the author is Steve Plambeck, and everyone interested in the Loch Ness story owes him a beer.

It really is that simple.


Useful links:

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183094/Skipper-claims-finally-proof-Loch-Ness-Monster-exists.html#ixzz23R9PIXSd Daily Mail before exposure

http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-300034858/so-is-this-proof-that-the-latest-sighting-of-nessie Daily Mail hoax exposure

http://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/186792-loch-ness-monster-photograph-branded-a-hoax-by-nessie-enthusiast/ STV hoax exposure

http://squatchdetective.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/the-george-edwards-loch-ness-photos-debunked-as-a-hoax/ Steve Kulls hoax witness

 

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UPDATE 10TH SEPTEMBER 2013

In August 2013 a visitor to the Highlands recorded some video and audio while on board George Edward's cabin-cruiser "Nessiehunter". Mr Edwards is clearly heard to be claiming that he "recorded the DVD while diving in Loch Ness", yet the video is indistinguishable from part of the VHS tape carried on board  MV Deepscan, from where it was recorded via the Loch Ness Project's  underwater tv camera around 2002. Mr Edwards was loaned the boat for a day, gratis, once. Never again. The videos are at  http://www.lochnessinvestigation.com/deepscanvideo.html

 

By coincidence, investigator Steve Feltham today revealed  on https://www.facebook.com/groups/141086595460/

that George Edwards has reportedly admitted faking his photographs to show how easy it is to fool the public.

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